Comments for SageCircle Blog http://sagecircle.wordpress.com Creating a community focused on the IT Industry Analysts Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:00:56 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Superstars Owyang and Wang joining Altimeter Group is not just about social media by Analyst Ecosystem News « SageCircle Blog http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/superstars-owyang-and-wang-joining-altimeter-group-is-not-just-about-social-media/#comment-3085 Analyst Ecosystem News « SageCircle Blog Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:00:56 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=3452#comment-3085 [...] 19, 2009 by sagecircle Altimeter Group hires a head of Sales – David Stanley joins Altimeter Group as VP of Business Development and Sales.  David was formerly with ARinsights, Inc., makers of the [...] [...] 19, 2009 by sagecircle Altimeter Group hires a head of Sales – David Stanley joins Altimeter Group as VP of Business Development and Sales.  David was formerly with ARinsights, Inc., makers of the [...]

]]> Comment on Gartner and Forrester are not, repeat not, Tier 1 by Ludovic http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/gartner-and-forrester-are-not-tier-1/#comment-3063 Ludovic Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:43:15 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=3888#comment-3063 Can't agree more with you guys, tiering should be at the individual level. Carter, IDC maybe a better example. It all depends on your objectives and that's a point you actually missed Carter. Depending on what they are, IDC can be in that Tier I list or not: if it's about sales influence, then probably no in most cases, if it's about strategy or marketing or opinion, then probably yes. - Jeremiah: I'm tiered to see people tiering analysts based on tweet popularity at one end (absolutely irrelevant in most cases, at least for Tiering purposes) or at the other end of people putting every single Gartner analyst as Tier I. It's again about your objectives, the coverage area (for instance, Gartner doesn't cover industries Business Services, Oil&Gas, Engineering&Construction, etc... where other smaller firms make a good Tier II or Tier I's even) and the message. The medium doesn't really matter, AR pros just have to use what channel works best, and again that's at the individual level. Phone works better with some, others prefer Twitter. So be it! Can’t agree more with you guys, tiering should be at the individual level.

Carter, IDC maybe a better example. It all depends on your objectives and that’s a point you actually missed Carter. Depending on what they are, IDC can be in that Tier I list or not: if it’s about sales influence, then probably no in most cases, if it’s about strategy or marketing or opinion, then probably yes.

- Jeremiah: I’m tiered to see people tiering analysts based on tweet popularity at one end (absolutely irrelevant in most cases, at least for Tiering purposes) or at the other end of people putting every single Gartner analyst as Tier I. It’s again about your objectives, the coverage area (for instance, Gartner doesn’t cover industries Business Services, Oil&Gas, Engineering&Construction, etc… where other smaller firms make a good Tier II or Tier I’s even) and the message.

The medium doesn’t really matter, AR pros just have to use what channel works best, and again that’s at the individual level. Phone works better with some, others prefer Twitter. So be it!

]]> Comment on Twitter Directory – Analyst by Sheri Laersen http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/directories/analyst-twitter-directory/#comment-3051 Sheri Laersen Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:56:41 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/analyst-twitter-directory/#comment-3051 It would be great if these analysts were organized in a Twitter List so interested parties could follow the group without having to follow each individually (Here's my post on the new List feature - http://sherilarsen.com/2009/11/10/using-twitters-new-lists-feature/) It would be great if these analysts were organized in a Twitter List so interested parties could follow the group without having to follow each individually (Here’s my post on the new List feature – http://sherilarsen.com/2009/11/10/using-twitters-new-lists-feature/)

]]> Comment on Is Gartner inflating the number of Leaders on Magic Quadrants? by Veselina Buie http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/is-gartner-inflating-the-number-of-leaders-on-magic-quadrants/#comment-3045 Veselina Buie Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:19:31 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=3895#comment-3045 Thanks for the thoughtful rebuttal, Carter. I'll take a stab at your closing question about how much someone might be willing to pay for an audit of Magic Quadrants with a question of my own: How much time do AR pro's devote to influencing signature research placements? The two are intricately linked in my mind. Thanks for the thoughtful rebuttal, Carter. I’ll take a stab at your closing question about how much someone might be willing to pay for an audit of Magic Quadrants with a question of my own: How much time do AR pro’s devote to influencing signature research placements? The two are intricately linked in my mind.

]]> Comment on Is Gartner inflating the number of Leaders on Magic Quadrants? by sagecircle http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/is-gartner-inflating-the-number-of-leaders-on-magic-quadrants/#comment-3044 sagecircle Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:13:51 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=3895#comment-3044 From Rob Curran via Twitter, www.twitter.com/robcur RT: @carterlusher MQ Leaders inflation http://bit.ly/4kDU5G RC: More accurate title Can Competitor Prove Accusation? Not Gartner's burden. From Rob Curran via Twitter, http://www.twitter.com/robcur

RT: @carterlusher MQ Leaders inflation http://bit.ly/4kDU5G RC: More accurate title Can Competitor Prove Accusation? Not Gartner’s burden.

]]> Comment on Is Gartner inflating the number of Leaders on Magic Quadrants? by Jonathan Eunice http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/is-gartner-inflating-the-number-of-leaders-on-magic-quadrants/#comment-3043 Jonathan Eunice Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:32:59 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=3895#comment-3043 I reviewed six of the MQs you point to above that fall within either my direct coverage area or my area of general interest/knowledge. While it's yet another 'unscientific' view, I found the MQs pretty consistent with my own understanding of the markets and the players. I might quibble here or there, but that's the nature of the beast. MQs are judgment calls, pure and simple. Yes there are factors, and weightings, and a smidgen of methodology. They try to reduce a complex world into just two variables. They're not the only measure, nor any measure of how good is vendor X for customer Y's particular situation and requirements. But from where I sit, these examples show sound, reasonable judgment of the players and their relative positions in the industry. I reviewed six of the MQs you point to above that fall within either my direct coverage area or my area of general interest/knowledge. While it’s yet another ‘unscientific’ view, I found the MQs pretty consistent with my own understanding of the markets and the players.

I might quibble here or there, but that’s the nature of the beast. MQs are judgment calls, pure and simple. Yes there are factors, and weightings, and a smidgen of methodology. They try to reduce a complex world into just two variables. They’re not the only measure, nor any measure of how good is vendor X for customer Y’s particular situation and requirements.

But from where I sit, these examples show sound, reasonable judgment of the players and their relative positions in the industry.

]]> Comment on Why nobody tries to audit the accuracy of analyst predictions and recommendations by Is Gartner inflating the number of Leaders on Magic Quadrants? « SageCircle Blog http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/why-nobody-tries-to-audit-the-accuracy-of-analyst-predictions-and-recommendations/#comment-3042 Is Gartner inflating the number of Leaders on Magic Quadrants? « SageCircle Blog Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:07:23 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=1553#comment-3042 [...] There are unlikely to be any buyers – vendors, enterprise end users, media and so on – for this sort of research. So it is doubtful that any AR services firm or PR agency would actually invest the effort in doing the work to see if the claim about “Leaders inflation” is anything more than hot air. The lack of paying clients is also one of the reasons why nobody tries to audit the accuracy of analyst predictions and recommendations. [...] [...] There are unlikely to be any buyers – vendors, enterprise end users, media and so on – for this sort of research. So it is doubtful that any AR services firm or PR agency would actually invest the effort in doing the work to see if the claim about “Leaders inflation” is anything more than hot air. The lack of paying clients is also one of the reasons why nobody tries to audit the accuracy of analyst predictions and recommendations. [...]

]]> Comment on This not the first time that Gartner has been sued nor will it be the last by Is Gartner inflating the number of Leaders on Magic Quadrants? « SageCircle Blog http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/this-not-the-first-time-that-gartner-has-been-sued/#comment-3041 Is Gartner inflating the number of Leaders on Magic Quadrants? « SageCircle Blog Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:02:09 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=3784#comment-3041 [...] research which would be required for such an observation. We do note however that Gartner is being sued by ZL Technologies because the MQ that ZL has been listed on since 2005 still has only one (1) Leader and it’s not [...] [...] research which would be required for such an observation. We do note however that Gartner is being sued by ZL Technologies because the MQ that ZL has been listed on since 2005 still has only one (1) Leader and it’s not [...]

]]> Comment on A potpourri of observations and comments about the analyst ecosystem and social media by Marc Duke http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/a-potpourri-of-observations-and-comments-about-the-analyst-ecosystem-and-social-media/#comment-3038 Marc Duke Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:20:52 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=3892#comment-3038 A timely post Carter. I have just completed some twitter analysis following a summit I was involved with organising and the results were staggering. I will post about it soon but my only comment on this is, as an AR you had better find some way of tracking Twitter at an event or else you are missing a big trick! The issue is not what to track but how to measure impact. I Tweet you a link to the blog post once I have written up! A timely post Carter. I have just completed some twitter analysis following a summit I was involved with organising and the results were staggering.

I will post about it soon but my only comment on this is, as an AR you had better find some way of tracking Twitter at an event or else you are missing a big trick! The issue is not what to track but how to measure impact. I Tweet you a link to the blog post once I have written up!

]]> Comment on A potpourri of observations and comments about the analyst ecosystem and social media by Merv Adrian http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/a-potpourri-of-observations-and-comments-about-the-analyst-ecosystem-and-social-media/#comment-3036 Merv Adrian Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:04:58 +0000 http://sagecircle.wordpress.com/?p=3892#comment-3036 I agree - the tools matter because of their visibility. Although it's not obvious from the tweet itself who is listening, and whether they're moved by it, responses can provide some indication that people ARE listening, and AR doesn't need to rely on the analyst firm's reporting exclusively to see their impact. Just follow the tweetstream. Another useful indicator of impact can be to look at the blog of an analyst you're interested in. You may be able to see how much traffic they get - some blogs display statistics about that. And comment logs are fascinating - on some blogs they can run into dozens of comments, from fascinating people (I've experienced this myself, and it's quite instructive at times.) I agree – the tools matter because of their visibility. Although it’s not obvious from the tweet itself who is listening, and whether they’re moved by it, responses can provide some indication that people ARE listening, and AR doesn’t need to rely on the analyst firm’s reporting exclusively to see their impact. Just follow the tweetstream.

Another useful indicator of impact can be to look at the blog of an analyst you’re interested in. You may be able to see how much traffic they get – some blogs display statistics about that. And comment logs are fascinating – on some blogs they can run into dozens of comments, from fascinating people (I’ve experienced this myself, and it’s quite instructive at times.)

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